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Simon Brown's avatar

We had this with my son. My ex was an alternative health practitioner - but in Traditional Chinese Medicine (pins and herbs) and in TCM despite what everyone thinks, they really like their data and numbers. I work in IT but have previously worked in pharmacovigilance (drug safety). My ex was very concerned about the childhood vaccinations and possible risks from the vaccines. I wasn't yet on immune-suppression therapies but nonetheless wanted my kid to be vaccinated. So we "did our own research".

I showed her how to calculate the relative risks and relative benefits, where to find the relevant SPCs and trial data and we did massive spreadsheets working on risks. The numbers are pretty stark, I'll be honest. We didn't just look at "deaths" because just as important (or maybe even more important) are the life-long consequences. Autism lasts your whole life, as does brain damage, deafness etc.

We looked closely at the risk of permanent deafness / permanent brain damage from measles and the rest (but mainly measles, the others are milder) - and it was pretty obvious to her that our son should get his vaccinations, so he did.

The only one he didn't get, because why would he need THAT - was HepB.

He was 5 when I failed Tecfidera and was being offered Ocrevus, both he and his mother got the HepB vaccine to protect daddy :') - he was very brave (chocolate may have been involved in this bravery - but still very brave).

Whilst anecdotal evidence isn't evidence, he is a fit, healthy, fully bilingual (Spanish and English), very lovely* 8 year-old about 2 years ahead of himself in the school system here.

*I don't think being precocious / pesky is a known side effect of MMR / pentavac and therefore conclude it's inherited from his mother ;-)

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Christopher Torri's avatar

I never understood what anyone had against vaccines: more specifically, vaccines to combat disease. I really don’t understand their distrust and mistrust of people who devote years of their lives to be educated, by thousands of other people who have devoted YEARS of their lives to the ONGOING and ever-expanding study of biology and medicine, that has been built on hundreds (if not a couple millennia) of years of experience, studies, trial and error, and teaching to others—as well as holding everyone else charged with the title of doctor to the same high standards by committee. These medications that have been created by many people working many hours, over many weeks or months or years, building on enormous amounts of previous information and experience, to help fight illnesses that harm is, hurt and kill.

I do understand the explanations, but they don’t comport with the reality of modern medicine. People say they don’t trust drug companies or the medical drug regulators. This is understandable from some of the news stories that circulate from time to time. But it’s not just those entities involved development and/or dissemination and/or guaranteeing safety and efficacy… it’s the whole medical community. And it’s based on everyone’s knowledge and intelligence in the community, not just one person or a few. And if you don’t trust that entire community, then you’ve got a real problem. A whole community of doctors can’t be a union of conspirators looking to fool us—can’t fool everyone all the time. I was once an assistant in a stem cell lab at the University of California, Irvine, and I was talking to a visiting doctor from CHOC (Children’s Hospital of Orange County), who was using the lab to study cerebral cancer specimens of children from around eighteen months to about eleven years old. A difficult job in many ways, as you might imagine. We were talking about the universe of people working on cures, and I asked him what he thought about the people who worked on cures and therapies only because the work interested them as a singular and insular pursuit, or just for the money, instead of because they really care about people and want to help them. He thought about it for a moment and then said, "You know Chris, there are a lot of us who do everything we possibly can to find cures and ease suffering because we want to help people, and even though we might not like it there are those who work on cures and therapies for selfish reasons, and have no interest in whether someone lives or dies. But actually we really need everyone." That was a good lesson for me, and probably a good lesson for anyone.

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