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Suicide is the only cure (permanent cure) for the real MS. The failure of MS research to come up with a treatment to stop smouldering MS / unrelenting disability progression is a major factor behind suicide. EDSS 9.5 is “Totally helpless bed patient; unable to communicate effectively or eat/swallow”. Would you be happy to exist like that? Getting out early seems sensible planning - not a mental health issue.

I suspect a big contributor is the loss of participation. My friends are all into Padel. It’s all they talk about when I meet them. Most of them (as do most of my family) do parkrun. These appear minor losses, but really hit home when you think about them. MS is a disease of ever increasing losses.

MS at the end stage is dreadful. Up there with end stage Parkinson’s, MND, Alzheimer’s. A trip to Dignitas to avoid the end stage hell of these diseases should be available on the NHS (for those who can’t afford it). We all die, but I’d rather take a potion at Dignitas than die of pneumonia whilst bed bound in a hospice for neurological patients.

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Thank you for this. I think that I tend to share Ian’s thoughts except for me suicide would not be a mental health issue so much as a more factual and straightforward even logical decision. A few years back my father died at a few weeks before his 95 birthday. At that age he was struggling physically and medically with UTIs etc - lots of things that just made day to day to day life difficult. For his last months he was in a care home and I remember the last time I. saw him he said that he had had enough now . He then died a few weeks later.

I’m totally sure that I might well get to the same point. If life is just a hard daily struggle with absolutely no prospect of anything getting better and all enjoyment has gone is there any rational reason for wanting to continue ?

(I’ve known a few people who killed themselves and in each case it was because of circumstances that weren’t ’permanent’ and could have been fixed I.e emotional, mental health issues which once ‘fixed’ would have left the person living an active, happy fulfilling life.

(I really don’t understand the objections to assisted dying and think that some people are so horrified by the idea that all rational and humane thinking about it becomes impossible).

So in summary and for me suicide/ assisted dying would not be a mental health issue- absolutely not! Overall I have had a good life, I continue to do well in tackling MS and all that it brings and I am enjoying life. But, if it gets to the point where life is just a hard daily physical, mental and emotional struggle with nothing to enjoy then why continue with the torture. Just take a peaceful, relaxing and reflective last few weeks before reaching out to whatever is next ( probably nothing but who knows)

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